Regardless. Thanos wins this. Its not like the writer of marvel has dominon only over character. Both are in character. He's about cause and effect and. When the Beyonder entered Marvel, reality itself ceased to exist. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man should also stomp IG Thanos. 8. Then there is Inhuman/Mutant beyonder who had nothing to do with The beyonders. The Beyonder was also stated to be "Beyond the Marvel Multiverse/Omniverse" which means that, he was beyond "Infinite-Dimensions" or "Trans-Infinity". OPM can't even defeat Post-retcon Beyonder, let alone Pre-retcon. And yeah he stomps. If PR Beyonder is superior to TOAA then God Emperor. @Metalslash said: MJJ wins. pre retcon molecule man vs. Poll Shinra Banshoman vs Pre Retcon Beyonder and Lucifer Morningstar (115 votes) Beyonder and Lucifer erase Shinra on accident 16%. Beyonder erases him from existence. 2. 43. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. @Ziro: Pre-Retcon Beyonder got his powers taken away by Dr. the beyonder is literally the embodiment of a universe which dwarfs the mainstream multiverse, so he can do the same thing for the multiverse, but not all of marvel (since marvel is an omniverse. 14 years ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. R4 - Pre Retcon Beyonder takes on the 5 and the Defenders members at the same time. Post retcon would be a closer fight. Within the beyond realm, he's supposed to be omnipresent. Followers. Reviews: 0. Thanos wins them all unless its Thanos vs OAA. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. • 3 yr. The only thing the Beyonder wasn’t able to do was truly understand what it was like to not be the Beyonder. Assuming the several dimensions to be universes isn't something streched considering the PRB power. Round 3: All-Mighty vs TOAA. deactivated-5ffd6af867550. Nope. Another statement made about. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. CCC Gilgamesh vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes. Adptive armor isnt doing a thing for him here just as much as it helped against. panos2000000 • 1 yr. Pre retcon Beyonder seems omnipotent inside the marvel multiverse because its like comparing a dinosaur to a bunch of ants. #4. Does it matter by that logic Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) because he didnt resist doom taking his power thats a contradiction in your opinion about PR Beyonder. @baron_von_santa: Doubt it, Pre-Retcon beyonder was supposed to be the ToAA of another reality but was later retconned into the "Cosmic Cube" crap. ". Elaine Belloc would win under both scenarios, 2nd would be pointless. Followers. Round 2 is just silly, because neither of those characters would be ANY help to Superman, much less to Beyonder. Then there the Beyonder Child unit thing that is related to The beyonders. -Everyone full powers. Beyonder's best feats consist of warping reality on a Multiversal scale in his fight with MM, and being millions of times stronger than anyone in the marvel multiverse, but that's only impressive up to a certain point before it becomes. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. Pre Retcon Beyonder and Molecule Man are at TOAA’s level. Jim Shooter who was the editor at Marvel at the time said so and the Beyonder himself said so. Thanks!!!!!fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. Destroyah said: Doesn't really change the fact that PR Beyonder was as close you could get to being omnipotent then just being. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. Win by death, KO, incapIf we argue that Pre-Retcon Beyonder is not in his initial state in this match-up, then he might actually get defeated by the Scarlet King. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. Doomslayer can beat 69420 trillion Master Chiefs and has literally indestructible armor he stomps. Text-only Version:. 1. Spectre is tapped into God so he has an unlimited amount of power at his disposal. Originally posted by the DarkoneBefore they were retconned, Beyonder and Molecule Man we nearly omnipotent. Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. The Beyonder has always been a child-like being, which makes him very dangerous. But it doesn't end there. I don't think that PR Beyonder would actually notice him. It's similar to how using the Super Exciting guides for SSJ Multipliers should not take away from Goku's feats in 1990 when his SSJ form alone in the Namek Saga was far above a Galaxy busting Freiza. The same way AAO is the Supreme Being of the Marvel Multiverse. PR Beyonder curbstomps. He was basically like if God tried to create a champion capable of doing just about everything that. Pre-Retcon Beyonder has no physical form, no spiritual form, and or astral form but can take on these forms when he chooses and Beyonder was once Infinite Dimensional and even still his physical form. Interesting. -Protege copied Beyonder powers. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. Originally posted by Endless Mike Not as powerful as Squirrel Girl Isn't SG like tied with TOAA in power or something? She stomps all of fiction at the same time, and does it repeatedly over and over again. Supermanthor. 3 years ago. Real title: The beyonder vs the living tribunal. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. 0. The Beyonder is a fictional cosmic entity appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Hajun via feats and implied power. Forum Posts. [deleted] • 8 yr. His presence alone destroyed infinite universes. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. He can't exist beyound the source wall which limits him to not a 11-D being but probably a 10-D. Follow 12318. About Pre-retcon/Classic Beyonder. Scarlet King (SCP) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder and Pre-Retcon Molecule Man (Marvel) R2:The scarlet demon, WOW I am speechless. FIRST COSMOS. Wiki Points. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. 3. 2. Reply. May 26, 2023. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. the same Molecule Man that trapped the Omniverse in a box. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. . Pre-Retcon Beyonder Vs. Even The. Originally posted by Endless Mike Not as powerful as Squirrel Girl Isn't SG like tied with TOAA in power or something? She stomps all of fiction at the same time, and does it repeatedly over and over again. . Read my post? I even tried to say that Pennywise scaling is vague, since only the void is beyond infinite-dimensional physics, and not him himself. Beyonder was everything outisde the Multi-verse. R1 - Cosmic Cube post retcon Beyonder faces the 5, he can call for his Molecule man version if hes stomped. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Oblivion. #1 Edited By LightningGod67. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. Pre-Retcon Beyonder: Most powerful version of Beyonder, stronger then the Living Tribunal but weaker then T. Manhattan's league. His anti-feats are plot-induced because it's attempting to tell the story of him trying to figure out the Marvel multiverse because it's so tiny and simplistic in scope to the Beyonder realm. Dec 24, 2015. Tdk banished the Great Darkness from Barbatos, and took over the Dark multiverse, Barbatos is just a small avatar of the Great Darkness. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. Now just imagine 10,000 of them vs 10,000 Celestials. 0. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. Team 2 = Fusion mode. Sylvester Stallone, Jason Staham, Bruce Willis, Van Damme, Vin Diesel and Chuck Norris start fighting each other. #6 Edited By DC_Marvel_1000. You need to be logged in to post comments. DC_Marvel_1000. Phoenix attacks Beyonder with all her power, Beyonder don't even flinch. Pre recton beyonder is one of the most over wanked marvel characters . You are confusing full power with pre retcon. #2 blackspidey2099. The only other non-Omnipotent characters in Marvel who might even rival a bloodlusted pre-Retcon Beyonder for one are the Infinite Infinites and Divine Creator VIA narrative wanking. loveNwar. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim Shooter, Beyonder and OAA are avatars of these two comic book writers. @kingant27: nah, I actually do not think Michael can beat pre retcon beyonder, and Michael is far more powerful than lucifer who is equal to LT and can only win by manipulation. 9 years ago. He is only nigh-omnipotent, nigh-omniescent, and nigh-omnipresent. The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. So, it is the power of pre-retcon Beyonder. I will need to have cited evidence for. Doctor strange opens one in front and back. Aetherius is a larger infinity than Oblivio and encompasses its entirety, existing as a static realm of pure Anuic Light where all things exist in pure, timeless harmony. Phoenix vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder = probably Beyonder unless we are using the level where Phoenix possessed the power to destroy him. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. #38 JayBlack. But technically TR isn't a part of DC comics , the author has made it like DC comics ends at limbo and TR lives in the meta state , everything appearing. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. 2. Beyonder has way more hax, the Glory is literally non-sentient, and Beyonder has an extreme AP advantage, seeing as the Glory is only possibly baseline High 1-B, and Beyonder is well over 10,000,000 times more powerful than almost every High 1-B in Marvel. #28 ovy7. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. Pre Retcon Beyonder was the original TOAA before today's TOAA was established. According to that one guy Anos could do it,. Pre retcon beyonder solos his own verse is larger than the maverl omniverse. Lucifer is a different beast. The Beyonder realm might be a million times bigger than the entire Marvel Multiverse combined but in the end it's still part of the larger multiverse. 3 years ago. For now pre retcon beyonder has the advantage imo. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. Follow 474. destinyman75. 1. @kingant27: nah, I actually do not think Michael can beat pre retcon beyonder, and Michael is far more powerful than lucifer who is equal to LT and can only win by manipulation. But it wont be easy by no means. 9 K. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. Fight takes place in current DC universe. #1. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. Doom, when has anything even close to that happened to the Tribunal? My point is Marvel states he is the one thing/person/entity that. In Lucifer DC Multiverse is not just infinite dimensional but also existing in multiple existence as seen in his conversation with Presence. Which effectively means that they give Beyonder their sunday. He was the TOAA of own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse before he came across the. Doom stated the LifeForce >>> the power of Beyonder. 7 years ago. 1 year ago. When The Pre-Retcon Molecule Man(with the Infinite portion of The Beyonder's Powers)fought The Beyonder, they were stated to be "2 of the mightiest being in ALL. deactivated-621c40d36c53f. (Like many of these fights) Universal Steve. thtadthtshldntb Anti nBSG Troll. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Pre-retcon molecule man is the most powerful version of recce. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . • 1 year ago. Post-retcon Beyonder loses hands-down. Originally posted by the Darkone Spectre at full powered is above the pre-recon beyonder, Spectre is powered by God, I'm sorry that's one Ace even the pre-recon Beyonder can't overcome. Powers are basically the same thing. the_doctor. Not to say he's necessarily just a planetary threat now. As I said I'm not intimately familiar with pre retcon beyonder or even marvel comics overall. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. TOAA wins either way though. (God) 2. Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Darkest Knight Round 3: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Cosmic Armor Superman Round 4: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Empty Hand Round 5: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs all of them This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted. The difference between that portrayal and what Pre-Crisis Superman was capable of is most likely over a dozen orders of magnitude greater than the one between an amoeba and Pre-Crisis Superman. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful than the Living Tribunal. deactivated-5d45fd7ce1a16. Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. She inherited the Demiurgic power through her father and with Lucifer's guidance, she molded and created her own universe, and that was a vastly weaker and earlier version. Pre-Retcon Beyonder just erases the Throne of Heroes, killing every single servant because servants are copies of heroes, made using information from the Throne of Heroes Or he could just wipe out the entire Fate universe and everything outside itPre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. Jmarshmallow. The beyonder is a person from another plane of existence called the beyond which is larger than the marvel multiverse. vs. Because PR Beyonder mentioned how he wants her to return what’s rightfully his, which one of things I’m assuming that could be is a portion of his power he lent or something like that. No Prep. Some overkill ones would be The Brothers Death (apart from maybe small death), Scarlet King, etc. Pre-Retcon Beyonder ruins them casually. icecream1991. No prep and no knowledge. LT literally held the entirety of Marvel and DC universe in the palm of. He has way better feats, unless you can provide me a showing for Reinhard superior to being beyond comprehension of Pre-Retcon MM, as well as being above all of Marvel. Battles. At the time this storyline was written Beyonder Spider-Man would stomp. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is honestly far less impressive than Molecule man, at least current molecule man. In the pocket dimension, classic doctor strange would do exactly what he did. Hell even Strange Visitor Superman with scaling off of Mxy could take Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Pralaya. As a scientist, Doctor Manhattan is all about doing things step by step. Pre-retcon Beyonder is the be all-end all of ALL comicbook characters. Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. post retcon toaa: his power can only work on a multiverse that is stable. Beyonder if what I hear of Gan/Crimson King is true (and. Wiki Points. You see, the thing is that Pre Retcon Beyonder is Secret Wars Beyonder, so it’s not completely incorrect in a away, but all these events are taking after the retcon, if you get what I mean. Hence why people differentiate the. While thinking the Beyonder accidentally destroys the Omniverse. So ultimately I don't see beyonder and molecule man taking out this Eldritch incarnation. Prepare for. From what I know of Sun Wukong, he doesn't even come close to him. The Soruce(DC) 5. #2 Edited By juiceboks Moderator. Forum Posts. He. Sign in to edit View history Talk (0) List of all notable quotes by or about Beyonder (Earth-616). KuRuPT Thanosi. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. . When The Pre-Retcon Molecule Man(with the Infinite portion of The Beyonder's Powers)fought The Beyonder, they were stated to be "2 of the mightiest being in ALL. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. In Lucifer DC Multiverse is not just infinite dimensional but also existing in multiple existence as seen in his conversation with Presence. " lord marvel is said to be omnipotent and he can get smacked up. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Beyonder was an alien entity from Marvel comics who was a multiversal threat and a hero. Round 2: All-Mighty vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Jul 30, 2018. Pre Retcon Beyonder is TOAA of a world much much larger than Marvel Multiverse. Both Beyonder (assuming this is him outside his personal realm) and the Presence, since both are like Low 1-B, this could go either way. Well pre-retcon beyonder was able to erase marvels death. Clearly neither is the GEB - but in the sense prior to the retcons he was a character whose will defined reality around him and he was infinitely more powerful than anyone else on. Beyonder even realized he was the Pre-Retcon one too lol Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him, tailor made for Loki and proven when he and Sylvie enchanted Alioth, who. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. 7 K. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. Archived post. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. It will take a signifigant effort to kill the Phoenix Force, Just like Death, but he will do it. Follow 1963. Protege and Pre-Retcon Beyonder 49%. #11. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. the beyonder is literally the embodiment of a universe which dwarfs the mainstream multiverse, so he can do the same thing for the multiverse, but not all of marvel (since marvel is an omniverse. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse . @whydama: well beyonder was stated to be millions of times more powerful than all the. 1. Dreamxd26. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. But beyonder that isn’t pr gets absorbed. bigbran. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is far. #1 quandaledingle. Trying to apply that to the Beyonder is meaningless, he may as well embody all of them considering his origin. Hesperus 25 d . Beyonder 39%. The Beyonder realm might be a million times bigger than the entire Marvel Multiverse combined but in the end it's still part of the larger multiverse. #36. Children can be extremely capricious, and a being as powerful as the Beyonder with that attitude can be very dangerous. 140. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. PR Beyonder is way beyond than Thanos with IG. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. Team 1 = Two Grain Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Thanos wins this. Follow 23035. synnar the. 3 years ago. He is the central antagonist of the Battleworld arc in Season 4: Secret Wars. TOAA is God of Marvel while PR Beyonder is a much bigger god. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with kamehameha. If that's the case, Team 2 stomps. Neutral. TOAA is God of Marvel while PR Beyonder is a much bigger god. Gan and Crimson King are basically super-amped versions of P. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are all after the retcon. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. Lucifer obviously wins, the guy literally has half of God's omnipotence. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 21 K. 14 years ago. ago. 17 Ginriu. I mean it would be awesome to see Beyonder whip his ass with ease but I mean, poor Anti-Monitor, he was an evil bastard but he did not deserve this. There is literally nothing that OPM could do to even affect him. This is a spite thread then . So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. #1. The original Beyonder was a failed Cosmic Cube, the second one was a failed Cosmic Power, and the third one was a failed Cosmic Force. Word Lords, the Celestis, Faction Paradox, etc. This is pre-retcon Beyonder. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. Pre-Retcon Beyonder/Classic Beyonder-As a result of being the entirety of a dimension of far more scope than our own multiverse, he was more powerful than all of the rest of reality (he was. The biggest question is Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs HOTU. So the information given is contradictory as a Cosmic Cube can't do what the Beyonder did but he canonically does those things. #2. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. Pre Retcon Beyonder. Master/Crazy Hand, Tabuu, Galeem/Dharkon. Per Hank Pym the events of SW2. 13 years. If he can beat beyonder, he wins 10/10 because he would know the correct path in every timeline, which he exists in, because he is omnipresent. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. g. 4 years ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (as in, during Secret Wars II) was more powerful than the in-universe hand of the author. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. This is the biggest mismatch. WF Mxy vs Pre Retcon Beyonder is basically picking which company you like more : DC or Marvel. Who Is Strongest || Pre Retcon Beyonder vs Hajun#whoisstrongest#shorts#marvel#marvelcomics#marvelstudios#dc#dccomics#dceu#lucifer#beyonder#viralshorts#anime#. As a result, for his experiment, he. However PR Beyonder has more power than basically all of existence and attacks that destroyed multiverses were nothing to. . Honestly assuming it’s pre-retcon Beyonder and MM then they stomp the dc fodder hard. A single PR Beyonder was enough to solo all the Celestials by himself . Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. Beyonder stomp beyond comprehension. Beyonder with no sweat. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Victory by permanent death or erasure. Specificity of the Beyonder is that everything he thinks is real, and. 5 years ago. He was the single most dangerous threat the Marvel multiverse had ever faced, until he was retconned into a more limited character with varied origins. The Beyonder was surprised by Mephisto. You can also upload and share your favorite Beyonder wallpapers. That makes me believe that Beyonder may not be all that he is made out to be. Forum Posts. Sep 20, 2018. Beyonder Pré-Retcon foi uma das Entidades mais poderosas da #Marvel, ficando até mesmo acima do Tribunal Vivo, ele é bem conhecido por ter criado a Saga Guer. Pre-Retcon Beyonder wrecks. Do not make any Thanos with HOTU vs threads. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. 14 years ago. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. Forum Posts. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. The people at Marvel Comics figured it was a dumb idea, so they changed (or retconned) it. In The Complete Secret Wars #3, Pre-Retcon Beyonder opined that Stephan Strange is stronger than any in the multiverse suspect and had the opportunity to seal him in a pocket dimension ridding the multiverse of him forever. Don't think God Thing's H4X compares. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse. Who is a better god like figure?Both Beyonders wins. Round 2: CAS VS PR Beyonder with Living Tribunal. Batman (just kidding) 10 years ago. Eru Iluvatar is more like SCP 3812 but. A few pages leter Beyonder comes back kills Doom and starts curb stomping everyone including wrecking the mutli verse and breaking apart countless realities That's what Pre Retcon Beyonder is A. "No other force or power in existence could. The Beyonder was also stated to be "Beyond the Marvel Multiverse/Omniverse" which means that, he was beyond "Infinite-Dimensions" or "Trans-Infinity". 4 years ago. While Bruce may have had god's full power (and I doubt that he did) he lacks the intelligence to use it, even Mxy does more. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Forums Battles Darkseid (True Form) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 121 results 1 2 3 #1 Soratoumiga 4 years ago #2 ProfessorRespect Beyonder.